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Kawhi
Jun 20, 2018 10:02:33 GMT -8
Post by Laker8LA24 on Jun 20, 2018 10:02:33 GMT -8
Yup, George staying may end up being a blessing. And overpaying KCP and Lopez for another year could mean getting a steep discount in 2019 (tit for tat). Even Lopez has said he'd be down for the $4M 'room' exception this year if two max guys showed up. In that scenario, we still hold his Bird rights and can hook him up in 2019. Not saying a mega deal but more of a going rate for centers. THIS. We cannot, I repeat cannot give up too much in a Kawhi deal. It crushes us in the long term. If we give up Ingram and Kuzma, we also have to renounce Randle and watch him go bye-bye too. So, in essence we are giving up three young studs so that we can have LBJ, George, and Kawhi. It's a great team, no doubt. But what happens in 2-3 years when LeBron starts to slow down, or worse leaves for another team? Now, we're no longer a championship team and we are stuck with an overpaid George (who will be 33 or so) and we will be capstrung. We will have to rebuild all over again. It's just not worth it. We are a better team in the long run (slightly less in the short term) by being patient and keeping all of our youth and trying to add Kawhi next year. If we add him via free agency, we hit the grand slam and we are set up for MANY MANY years, whether LeBron stays or not. And if we strike out on Kawhi, well shit we can just go after Klay or Draymond, or whatever other FAs are available.
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Kawhi
Jun 20, 2018 11:05:47 GMT -8
Post by title17 on Jun 20, 2018 11:05:47 GMT -8
Yup, George staying may end up being a blessing. And overpaying KCP and Lopez for another year could mean getting a steep discount in 2019 (tit for tat). Even Lopez has said he'd be down for the $4M 'room' exception this year if two max guys showed up. In that scenario, we still hold his Bird rights and can hook him up in 2019. Not saying a mega deal but more of a going rate for centers. THIS. We cannot, I repeat cannot give up too much in a Kawhi deal. It crushes us in the long term. If we give up Ingram and Kuzma, we also have to renounce Randle and watch him go bye-bye too. So, in essence we are giving up three young studs so that we can have LBJ, George, and Kawhi. It's a great team, no doubt. But what happens in 2-3 years when LeBron starts to slow down, or worse leaves for another team? Now, we're no longer a championship team and we are stuck with an overpaid George (who will be 33 or so) and we will be capstrung. We will have to rebuild all over again. It's just not worth it. We are a better team in the long run (slightly less in the short term) by being patient and keeping all of our youth and trying to add Kawhi next year. If we add him via free agency, we hit the grand slam and we are set up for MANY MANY years, whether LeBron stays or not. And if we strike out on Kawhi, well shit we can just go after Klay or Draymond, or whatever other FAs are available. The urgency is there because, quite frankly, there's no way we get Klay or Draymond. They are staying. Kyrie maybe? And those chances are slight. It's really Kawhi or bust for us and 2019 free agents. I think that's why there's an urgency surrounding the acquisition of Kawhi: he's the only truly get-able piece. And we gotta battle this closer: According to Kelly Iko of USA TODAY Sports, team advisor Jerry West will spearhead the charge in hopes to pry the San Antonio Spurs’ prized cog out of their possession prior to the start of the draft. “I’ve been told Jerry West is running point on all attempts to acquire him via trade, and he doesn’t want the Clippers to remain second-fiddle in L.A.,” said Iko. “He will be aggressive during the Draft — Picks 12 and 13 are in play, along with multiple players.”
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Kawhi
Jun 20, 2018 11:12:50 GMT -8
Post by Laker8LA24 on Jun 20, 2018 11:12:50 GMT -8
THIS. We cannot, I repeat cannot give up too much in a Kawhi deal. It crushes us in the long term. If we give up Ingram and Kuzma, we also have to renounce Randle and watch him go bye-bye too. So, in essence we are giving up three young studs so that we can have LBJ, George, and Kawhi. It's a great team, no doubt. But what happens in 2-3 years when LeBron starts to slow down, or worse leaves for another team? Now, we're no longer a championship team and we are stuck with an overpaid George (who will be 33 or so) and we will be capstrung. We will have to rebuild all over again. It's just not worth it. We are a better team in the long run (slightly less in the short term) by being patient and keeping all of our youth and trying to add Kawhi next year. If we add him via free agency, we hit the grand slam and we are set up for MANY MANY years, whether LeBron stays or not. And if we strike out on Kawhi, well shit we can just go after Klay or Draymond, or whatever other FAs are available. The urgency is there because, quite frankly, there's no way we get Klay or Draymond. They are staying. Kyrie maybe? And those chances are slight. It's really Kawhi or bust for us and 2019 free agents. I think that's why there's an urgency surrounding the acquisition of Kawhi: he's the only truly get-able piece. And we gotta battle this closer: According to Kelly Iko of USA TODAY Sports, team advisor Jerry West will spearhead the charge in hopes to pry the San Antonio Spurs’ prized cog out of their possession prior to the start of the draft. “I’ve been told Jerry West is running point on all attempts to acquire him via trade, and he doesn’t want the Clippers to remain second-fiddle in L.A.,” said Iko. “He will be aggressive during the Draft — Picks 12 and 13 are in play, along with multiple players.” How much would Jerry really give up if Kawhi tells him he's not re-signing there? Same hurdle as the other 28 teams.
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Kawhi
Jun 20, 2018 13:53:07 GMT -8
Post by title17 on Jun 20, 2018 13:53:07 GMT -8
The urgency is there because, quite frankly, there's no way we get Klay or Draymond. They are staying. Kyrie maybe? And those chances are slight. It's really Kawhi or bust for us and 2019 free agents. I think that's why there's an urgency surrounding the acquisition of Kawhi: he's the only truly get-able piece. And we gotta battle this closer: According to Kelly Iko of USA TODAY Sports, team advisor Jerry West will spearhead the charge in hopes to pry the San Antonio Spurs’ prized cog out of their possession prior to the start of the draft. “I’ve been told Jerry West is running point on all attempts to acquire him via trade, and he doesn’t want the Clippers to remain second-fiddle in L.A.,” said Iko. “He will be aggressive during the Draft — Picks 12 and 13 are in play, along with multiple players.” How much would Jerry really give up if Kawhi tells him he's not re-signing there? Same hurdle as the other 28 teams. Tobias Harris and the 12 and 13 pick. Stephen A. update: “From what my sources tell me, Kawhi Leonard me with Gregg Popovich face-to-face and told him dead in the face ‘I don’t want to be here. I don’t want to be in San Antonio any longer.’ And by all accounts, everywhere that I have searched, he is absolutely, positively going to become a member of the Los Angeles Lakers.” He then backtracked and basically said 'I take it back. He wants to be in LA.'
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Kawhi
Jun 20, 2018 14:14:13 GMT -8
Post by Laker8LA24 on Jun 20, 2018 14:14:13 GMT -8
Well that's great news because the Clippers aren't going to win with Kawhi on that roster. They don't have cap space to be able to sign anyone to help him. So, if he goes there, they won't be good enough to be a threat. And he probably knows that and will eventually force his way to the Lakers one way or the other.
And the Clippers offer of Tobias and the #13 and the #14 is still not as good as the Lakers offer of Ingram (and/or Kuzma). We are offering up a potential superstar (or two) and draft picks while the Clippers are offering up a journeyman and mid-first round picks. Not good enough.
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Kawhi
Jun 20, 2018 14:22:14 GMT -8
Post by title17 on Jun 20, 2018 14:22:14 GMT -8
Well that's great news because the Clippers aren't going to win with Kawhi on that roster. They don't have cap space to be able to sign anyone to help him. So, if he goes there, they won't be good enough to be a threat. And he probably knows that and will eventually force his way to the Lakers one way or the other. And the Clippers offer of Tobias and the #13 and the #14 is still not as good as the Lakers offer of Ingram (and/or Kuzma). We are offering up a potential superstar (or two) and draft picks while the Clippers are offering up a journeyman and mid-first round picks. Not good enough. I agree. All that is left is spite. The Spurs can package the 12 and 13 picks to move up. I hear the Grizz are open to moving the 4 pick if you take back Chandler Parsons. So the 12 and 13 pick (and filler) for the 4 pick and the rest of Parsons' bad deal. If Doncic is there at the 4th pick, him and Pop could be a match made in heaven. Doncic and Harris is a solid deal for Kawhi. But again, Kawhi has to steer the narrative. One thing West doesn't have: Lebron. Although I guess Kyrie and Kawhi's peeps are friendly. There's a slight chance Kyrie's take on playing with Lebron could poison the well.
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Kawhi
Jun 20, 2018 14:26:31 GMT -8
Post by Laker8LA24 on Jun 20, 2018 14:26:31 GMT -8
Well that's great news because the Clippers aren't going to win with Kawhi on that roster. They don't have cap space to be able to sign anyone to help him. So, if he goes there, they won't be good enough to be a threat. And he probably knows that and will eventually force his way to the Lakers one way or the other. And the Clippers offer of Tobias and the #13 and the #14 is still not as good as the Lakers offer of Ingram (and/or Kuzma). We are offering up a potential superstar (or two) and draft picks while the Clippers are offering up a journeyman and mid-first round picks. Not good enough. I agree. All that is left is spite. The Spurs can package the 12 and 13 picks to move up. I hear the Grizz are open to moving the 4 pick if you take back Chandler Parsons. So the 12 and 13 pick (and filler) for the 4 pick and the rest of Parsons' bad deal. If Doncic is there at the 4th pick, him and Pop could be a match made in heaven. Doncic and Harris is a solid deal for Kawhi. But again, Kawhi has to steer the narrative. One thing West doesn't have: Lebron. Although I guess Kyrie and Kawhi's peeps are friendly. There's a slight chance Kyrie's take on playing with Lebron could poison the well. However this plays out, as long as Kawhi is not a Celtic, I guess I could live with it.
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Kawhi
Jun 20, 2018 14:29:21 GMT -8
Post by title17 on Jun 20, 2018 14:29:21 GMT -8
I agree. All that is left is spite. The Spurs can package the 12 and 13 picks to move up. I hear the Grizz are open to moving the 4 pick if you take back Chandler Parsons. So the 12 and 13 pick (and filler) for the 4 pick and the rest of Parsons' bad deal. If Doncic is there at the 4th pick, him and Pop could be a match made in heaven. Doncic and Harris is a solid deal for Kawhi. But again, Kawhi has to steer the narrative. One thing West doesn't have: Lebron. Although I guess Kyrie and Kawhi's peeps are friendly. There's a slight chance Kyrie's take on playing with Lebron could poison the well. However this plays out, as long as Kawhi is not a Celtic, I guess I could live with it. I hear ya...although having him as a Sixer stings too. I HATE that the 'process' is being rewarded with success. And landing Kawhi would be a byproduct of the process. Add the fact that we're talking about a fanbase filled with the biggest dicks in all of sports (meaning all Philly fans in any sport) and I hate it even more ha. So really I'd rather have Kawhi re-sign as a Spur if he isn't coming here.
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Kawhi
Jun 20, 2018 14:59:31 GMT -8
Post by sclakersfan on Jun 20, 2018 14:59:31 GMT -8
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Kawhi
Jun 20, 2018 15:07:53 GMT -8
Post by title17 on Jun 20, 2018 15:07:53 GMT -8
But if OKC retains PG13, it could convince other teams to gamble on trading for Kawhi. The precedent will have been set. We'll all find out in the coming weeks.
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Kawhi
Jun 20, 2018 15:45:09 GMT -8
Post by Laker8LA24 on Jun 20, 2018 15:45:09 GMT -8
But if OKC retains PG13, it could convince other teams to gamble on trading for Kawhi. The precedent will have been set. We'll all find out in the coming weeks. It could, but again PG said his preference was to play for the Lakers, but he never said he would flat out NOT SIGN with any other team. It sounds like Kawhi is going to say that, which is a huge difference.
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Kawhi
Jun 20, 2018 16:02:17 GMT -8
Post by Laker8LA24 on Jun 20, 2018 16:02:17 GMT -8
Yes, this is my concern. But more so, it's what happens in 2-3 years from now. Don't want to be in another rebuild so soon.
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Kawhi
Jun 21, 2018 7:43:08 GMT -8
Post by lakers4life on Jun 21, 2018 7:43:08 GMT -8
I think we should do whatever it takes to get Kawhi. If it means that James and George are coming too, then that is a championship level team. Not sure this team will ever be good enough to win a championship without bringing guys on board like we have a chance to do right now.
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Kawhi
Jun 21, 2018 9:30:26 GMT -8
Post by Laker8LA24 on Jun 21, 2018 9:30:26 GMT -8
Right now, no they're not good enough to be a championship team.....but if you project out what these youngsters will be in a few years (Ball, Ingram, Randle, Hart, Kuzma) plus the money they have to spend on FAs, this could be a dynasty in the making, even without Kawhi, George, or LeBron. But they definitely help us win TODAY.
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Kawhi
Jun 21, 2018 9:57:01 GMT -8
Post by title17 on Jun 21, 2018 9:57:01 GMT -8
Tick tock...
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