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Post by Lonzo'sBallMagic'sJohnson on Jun 10, 2018 3:29:15 GMT -8
Spellman has high body fat but I'm not too worried about it. He seems like a pretty motivated guy so he might work on it. Even if he did have some extra weight, there have been a lot of big men to be successful with a little extra weight. I haven't heard that his cardio/conditioning is bad. Wagner is projected to go as a high second rounder. So was Kuzma. So was Nance. That hasn't stopped the Lakers before. To me, Wagner being a top 30 talent is perfectly reasonable. He has legit height for a pf/center, good motor, 3 point range, moves his feet well on defense, runs the court well, good post moves, a little bit of a handle, attacks closeouts well. Only concerns for him are his slight frame, erratic rebounding and lack of shot blocking/inside presence(slightly off-set by him being above average at steals for a center). The reason I want these guys so bad is because well-rounded big men who are a legit outside threat are not common so I would like to snatch one up. Defensive guards who can't shoot, like Melton, are much more replaceable so I am not too high on him and I don't see a great guard like Donte or Khyri falling to 25. Don't get me wrong....I am not hating on Spellman or Wagner ~~ either one could be the pick, and if the Lakers go that way, I will applaud it. And, to be clear, I hope we DON'T draft Melton at 25 (that's just who I think we might end up taking). Lakr8 is right, we pretty much have what we would be getting in either of those big guys with Bryant. Mitchell Robinson is a different story. HUGE hit or miss. If he is right, absoulte steal of the draft. If not....well, he's not. Regardless, MROB will be gone by 25, as will most of the guys that I would like to see us take. I have been reading that we are considering trading up. I doubt that happens, but it could if we have our hearts set on a player. I read yesterday - a photo got leaked by a shoe company of all people - that we had a secret, private workout with Lonnie Walker from Miami. He is likely to be gone by 25, but if the team loves the kid and we only need to move up a couple of slots, they may do it. I'm sure you also know how much the team covets Doncic. So, a trade up isn't out of the question, but remains unlikely. Finally, full circle back to the topic, the Lakers could also buy an earlier 2nd round pick for Wagner or Spellman. I just don't personally believe they take either one at 25. Now I am keeping an eye on what happens with Lonnie Walker, who many are saying is this year's Donovan Mitchell (I need to check out his YouTube highlights). I would be stoked beyond belief if we somehow acquired a better second round pick on the cheap. This is one of the deepest drafts I can remember and some good talent should be there early in the second. I don't want to hate on Thomas Bryant. On paper his skill set is very good. I'm just concerned that the team went with Zubac over him, despite Luke heavily favoring players who stretch the floor. I mean sure he could develop but I have to put some weight in to the fact that he only played in the G-league all year and looked raw when I did see him. That being said, I know he's a hard worker so I would give him a good chance to improve. However, something I never like to do is project growth. I think it's one of the biggest fallacies in sports. The only time I think projecting growth is a good idea is if a player is extremely talented and very young. For instance Ingram's rookie year barely bothered me at all. So, you guys could be right about Bryant. I just don't want to plan on it.
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Post by Laker8LA24 on Jun 10, 2018 7:09:20 GMT -8
Don't get me wrong....I am not hating on Spellman or Wagner ~~ either one could be the pick, and if the Lakers go that way, I will applaud it. And, to be clear, I hope we DON'T draft Melton at 25 (that's just who I think we might end up taking). Lakr8 is right, we pretty much have what we would be getting in either of those big guys with Bryant. Mitchell Robinson is a different story. HUGE hit or miss. If he is right, absoulte steal of the draft. If not....well, he's not. Regardless, MROB will be gone by 25, as will most of the guys that I would like to see us take. I have been reading that we are considering trading up. I doubt that happens, but it could if we have our hearts set on a player. I read yesterday - a photo got leaked by a shoe company of all people - that we had a secret, private workout with Lonnie Walker from Miami. He is likely to be gone by 25, but if the team loves the kid and we only need to move up a couple of slots, they may do it. I'm sure you also know how much the team covets Doncic. So, a trade up isn't out of the question, but remains unlikely. Finally, full circle back to the topic, the Lakers could also buy an earlier 2nd round pick for Wagner or Spellman. I just don't personally believe they take either one at 25. Now I am keeping an eye on what happens with Lonnie Walker, who many are saying is this year's Donovan Mitchell (I need to check out his YouTube highlights). I would be stoked beyond belief if we somehow acquired a better second round pick on the cheap. This is one of the deepest drafts I can remember and some good talent should be there early in the second. I don't want to hate on Thomas Bryant. On paper his skill set is very good. I'm just concerned that the team went with Zubac over him, despite Luke heavily favoring players who stretch the floor. I mean sure he could develop but I have to put some weight in to the fact that he only played in the G-league all year and looked raw when I did see him. That being said, I know he's a hard worker so I would give him a good chance to improve. However, something I never like to do is project growth. I think it's one of the biggest fallacies in sports. The only time I think projecting growth is a good idea is if a player is extremely talented and very young. For instance Ingram's rookie year barely bothered me at all. So, you guys could be right about Bryant. I just don't want to plan on it. Well Bryant is talented and extremely young, So I think it's safe to project growth. Sadly, I watched a bunch of G-league games and I can tell you that Bryant became the best player in the floor as the season progressed. Zubac only got his NBA minutes because he had more experience and Bryant was getting heavy minutes in the G-league. If he plays summer league, you'll get to see why I like him. He might not be starting C material this upcoming season, but he'll be a good reserve player and I expect him to be our starting C by the following season.
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Post by Lonzo'sBallMagic'sJohnson on Jun 10, 2018 16:28:56 GMT -8
I would be stoked beyond belief if we somehow acquired a better second round pick on the cheap. This is one of the deepest drafts I can remember and some good talent should be there early in the second. I don't want to hate on Thomas Bryant. On paper his skill set is very good. I'm just concerned that the team went with Zubac over him, despite Luke heavily favoring players who stretch the floor. I mean sure he could develop but I have to put some weight in to the fact that he only played in the G-league all year and looked raw when I did see him. That being said, I know he's a hard worker so I would give him a good chance to improve. However, something I never like to do is project growth. I think it's one of the biggest fallacies in sports. The only time I think projecting growth is a good idea is if a player is extremely talented and very young. For instance Ingram's rookie year barely bothered me at all. So, you guys could be right about Bryant. I just don't want to plan on it. Well Bryant is talented and extremely young, So I think it's safe to project growth. Sadly, I watched a bunch of G-league games and I can tell you that Bryant became the best player in the floor as the season progressed. Zubac only got his NBA minutes because he had more experience and Bryant was getting heavy minutes in the G-league. If he plays summer league, you'll get to see why I like him. He might not be starting C material this upcoming season, but he'll be a good reserve player and I expect him to be our starting C by the following season. He is young and inexperienced enough as well as a hard enough worker to say he will make improvements from his 20 year old rookie season. I don't think I would try to predict just how much growth though. Will it be enough to make him a rotation player in the NBA? I hope so. I just wish he wasn't kind of spazzy with "credit card" hops lol. Needs to work on his follow through on his jumpshot too. I'll give him some more time. I guess you could just say I have more confidence in the scenario that we sign Paul George playing out than I do of the scenario where we re-sign Brook Lopez and Thomas Bryant becomes a quality backup. Which is why I want a big a lot more than a guard or wing.
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Post by Laker8LA24 on Jun 11, 2018 8:37:10 GMT -8
Well Bryant is talented and extremely young, So I think it's safe to project growth. Sadly, I watched a bunch of G-league games and I can tell you that Bryant became the best player in the floor as the season progressed. Zubac only got his NBA minutes because he had more experience and Bryant was getting heavy minutes in the G-league. If he plays summer league, you'll get to see why I like him. He might not be starting C material this upcoming season, but he'll be a good reserve player and I expect him to be our starting C by the following season. He is young and inexperienced enough as well as a hard enough worker to say he will make improvements from his 20 year old rookie season. I don't think I would try to predict just how much growth though. Will it be enough to make him a rotation player in the NBA? I hope so. I just wish he wasn't kind of spazzy with "credit card" hops lol. Needs to work on his follow through on his jumpshot too. I'll give him some more time. I guess you could just say I have more confidence in the scenario that we sign Paul George George playing out than I do of the scenario where we re-sign Brook Lopez and Thomas Bryant becomes a quality backup. Which is why I want a big a lot more than a guard or wing. Credit card hops? Where did you get that from? He's got hops. Brook Lopez has credit card hops, lol. The perfect center for today's NBA and our system is a mobile center who can spread the floor and play some defense and rebound. Bryant can do all of those things. His jump shot is really improving and I think he is going to be the guy that we were hoping that Zubac would become. Bryant blocks shots, can switch out on to wings defensively, can finish around the rim, and can rebound. The "spazzy" you refer to is just him being raw. He was really starting to refine his game as the season progressed and the spazziness was limited, lol.
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Post by Lonzo'sBallMagic'sJohnson on Jun 11, 2018 12:30:09 GMT -8
He is young and inexperienced enough as well as a hard enough worker to say he will make improvements from his 20 year old rookie season. I don't think I would try to predict just how much growth though. Will it be enough to make him a rotation player in the NBA? I hope so. I just wish he wasn't kind of spazzy with "credit card" hops lol. Needs to work on his follow through on his jumpshot too. I'll give him some more time. I guess you could just say I have more confidence in the scenario that we sign Paul George George playing out than I do of the scenario where we re-sign Brook Lopez and Thomas Bryant becomes a quality backup. Which is why I want a big a lot more than a guard or wing. Credit card hops? Where did you get that from? He's got hops. Brook Lopez has credit card hops, lol. The perfect center for today's NBA and our system is a mobile center who can spread the floor and play some defense and rebound. Bryant can do all of those things. His jump shot is really improving and I think he is going to be the guy that we were hoping that Zubac would become. Bryant blocks shots, can switch out on to wings defensively, can finish around the rim, and can rebound. The "spazzy" you refer to is just him being raw. He was really starting to refine his game as the season progressed and the spazziness was limited, lol. Bryant can do all of those things, in theory. I want to see him do it in an NBA game before I feel comfortable saying that for real. I put zero stock in what he did in the G-league. Here is a list of G-league MVPs.
2001–02 Ansu Sesay
2002–03 Devin Brown 2003–04 Tierre Brown 2004–05 Matt Carroll 2005–06 Marcus Fizer 2006–07 Randy Livingston 2007–08 Kasib Powell 2008–09 Courtney Sims 2009–10 Mike Harris 2010–11 Curtis Stinson 2011–12 Justin Dentmon 2012–13 Andrew Goudelock 2013–14 Co MVP - Ron Howard and Othyus Jeffers 2014–15 Tim Frazier 2015–16 Jarnell Stokes 2016–17 Vander Blue 2017–18 Lorenzo Brown
So, hopefully they give him a chance to show what he can do in "The Show" this year, to borrow a baseball term. I know he doesn't have cc hops I was just exaggerating because he has such a huge wingspan and still isn't much of an above the rim guy.
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Post by Laker8LA24 on Jun 11, 2018 13:43:15 GMT -8
Credit card hops? Where did you get that from? He's got hops. Brook Lopez has credit card hops, lol. The perfect center for today's NBA and our system is a mobile center who can spread the floor and play some defense and rebound. Bryant can do all of those things. His jump shot is really improving and I think he is going to be the guy that we were hoping that Zubac would become. Bryant blocks shots, can switch out on to wings defensively, can finish around the rim, and can rebound. The "spazzy" you refer to is just him being raw. He was really starting to refine his game as the season progressed and the spazziness was limited, lol. Bryant can do all of those things, in theory. I want to see him do it in an NBA game before I feel comfortable saying that for real. I put zero stock in what he did in the G-league. Here is a list of G-league MVPs. 2001–02 Ansu Sesay
2002–03 Devin Brown 2003–04 Tierre Brown 2004–05 Matt Carroll 2005–06 Marcus Fizer 2006–07 Randy Livingston 2007–08 Kasib Powell 2008–09 Courtney Sims 2009–10 Mike Harris 2010–11 Curtis Stinson 2011–12 Justin Dentmon 2012–13 Andrew Goudelock 2013–14 Co MVP - Ron Howard and Othyus Jeffers 2014–15 Tim Frazier 2015–16 Jarnell Stokes 2016–17 Vander Blue 2017–18 Lorenzo Brown So, hopefully they give him a chance to show what he can do in "The Show" this year, to borrow a baseball term. I know he doesn't have cc hops I was just exaggerating because he has such a huge wingspan and still isn't much of an above the rim guy.
Yeah that's quite the shit list right there. lol But, to be fair, Bryant didn't win MVP. Let's not forget that Whiteside, Gober, Jeremy Lin, Danny Green, Gortat, and most recently Capela came from this league. And the league has gotten a lot better from its inception. It's sort of becoming the minor leagues for NBA organizations. But yeah, we gotta see Bryant do it for real before we can crown his ass. I am just making a prediction....if I was a scout I would be all over Bryant. I like his tools.
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Post by Lonzo'sBallMagic'sJohnson on Jun 11, 2018 19:39:11 GMT -8
Bryant can do all of those things, in theory. I want to see him do it in an NBA game before I feel comfortable saying that for real. I put zero stock in what he did in the G-league. Here is a list of G-league MVPs. 2001–02 Ansu Sesay
2002–03 Devin Brown 2003–04 Tierre Brown 2004–05 Matt Carroll 2005–06 Marcus Fizer 2006–07 Randy Livingston 2007–08 Kasib Powell 2008–09 Courtney Sims 2009–10 Mike Harris 2010–11 Curtis Stinson 2011–12 Justin Dentmon 2012–13 Andrew Goudelock 2013–14 Co MVP - Ron Howard and Othyus Jeffers 2014–15 Tim Frazier 2015–16 Jarnell Stokes 2016–17 Vander Blue 2017–18 Lorenzo Brown So, hopefully they give him a chance to show what he can do in "The Show" this year, to borrow a baseball term. I know he doesn't have cc hops I was just exaggerating because he has such a huge wingspan and still isn't much of an above the rim guy.
Yeah that's quite the shit list right there. lol But, to be fair, Bryant didn't win MVP. Let's not forget that Whiteside, Gober, Jeremy Lin, Danny Green, Gortat, and most recently Capela came from this league. And the league has gotten a lot better from its inception. It's sort of becoming the minor leagues for NBA organizations. But yeah, we gotta see Bryant do it for real before we can crown his ass. I am just making a prediction....if I was a scout I would be all over Bryant. I like his tools. That's a funny argument. At least he didn't win MVP though lol. I gotcha though. I'll start to feel a lot worse if he doesn't get some run this year. Although, Green and Whiteside did have to prove themselves over multiple years. Green was great in his stints. Whiteside became a monster one year and got a chance pretty quick after that. So, you're all over his tools, are you?
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Post by domino247 on Jun 12, 2018 7:02:20 GMT -8
Yeah that's quite the shit list right there. lol But, to be fair, Bryant didn't win MVP. Let's not forget that Whiteside, Gober, Jeremy Lin, Danny Green, Gortat, and most recently Capela came from this league. And the league has gotten a lot better from its inception. It's sort of becoming the minor leagues for NBA organizations. But yeah, we gotta see Bryant do it for real before we can crown his ass. I am just making a prediction....if I was a scout I would be all over Bryant. I like his tools. That's a funny argument. At least he didn't win MVP though lol. I gotcha though. I'll start to feel a lot worse if he doesn't get some run this year. Although, Green and Whiteside did have to prove themselves over multiple years. Green was great in his stints. Whiteside became a monster one year and got a chance pretty quick after that. So, you're all over his tools, are you? HA HA. Those are some big tools. You think you can handle them?
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Post by lakers4life on Jun 21, 2018 7:49:09 GMT -8
I like Jaylen Brunson at 25.
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Post by Laker8LA24 on Jun 21, 2018 9:20:48 GMT -8
Probably could get Jaylen at 39? But I like the way you're thinking. He would be a very solid backup PG.
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Post by Lonzo'sBallMagic'sJohnson on Jun 22, 2018 2:41:11 GMT -8
I think Donte will go in the high teens or low 20's but he'd be a great pick. Right now, out of who I see as realistic options, I have my heart set on Omari Spellman and would be happy with Moritz Wagner. I like Spellman a lot because our young core could really use a defensive minded big man who can rebound, protect the paint and shoot the three. Wagner can't play defense like Spellman but he can also shoot, is very mobile and is much more polished offensively with some nice moves. I really want a floor spacing big but if a guard like Donte, Holiday or Khyri Thomas fell I can't be mad at that. I like Mitchell Robinson's upside a lot but to me he is really risky. He is said to be very raw. I have heard grumbles about his lack of motivation and IQ. By the time Robinson is ready to contribute he might not be far off from restricted free agency and I don't expect the Lakers to have this much cap flexibility forever. We might be ready to compete very soon so I might prefer someone who can give us 4 years of cheap, solid role play over Robinson's potential. That being said, Robinson could make me regret that, of course.
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Post by Lonzo'sBallMagic'sJohnson on Jun 22, 2018 2:41:54 GMT -8
Spellman is intriguing, but needs to work on his body and conditioning to become NBA ready. Wagner is a 2nd rounder....though I doubt he falls to us at 47. You're right, Donte will be gone before we can get him. The same probably holds true of Huerter (who would be a great get at 25). I already listed who I think we will pick (D. Melton) and who I hope we pick, but who knows? All I know is that speculation season begins today (actually, it began late last night). Spellman has high body fat but I'm not too worried about it. He seems like a pretty motivated guy so he might work on it. Even if he did have some extra weight, there have been a lot of big men to be successful with a little extra weight. I haven't heard that his cardio/conditioning is bad. Wagner is projected to go as a high second rounder. So was Kuzma. So was Nance. That hasn't stopped the Lakers before. To me, Wagner being a top 30 talent is perfectly reasonable. He has legit height for a pf/center, good motor, 3 point range, moves his feet well on defense, runs the court well, good post moves, a little bit of a handle, attacks closeouts well. Only concerns for him are his slight frame, erratic rebounding and lack of shot blocking/inside presence(slightly off-set by him being above average at steals for a center). The reason I want these guys so bad is because well-rounded big men who are a legit outside threat are not common so I would like to snatch one up. Defensive guards who can't shoot, like Melton, are much more replaceable so I am not too high on him and I don't see a great guard like Donte or Khyri falling to 25.
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